Subject	As an impartial party, this is my .02 cents (kinda long)
Posted by	Smurf Z on March 19, 2003 at 8:45 AM
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In Reply To	AshZ, being a big cry baby? posted by Z from Japan on March 19, 2003 at 06:53 AM
Message	First off, nice writeup Devin. Even a noob like myself could make sense of what you wrote. Secondly, not every noob is willing to take the chance on themselves tuning maps based on Devin's write up. While it is very informative, we all know that incorrectly tuned ECU's can wreck havoc on the car. It's a no brainer. Yes there will be tuning shops like SGP who can use the info and make custom ecu's for their clients. I highly support this move. Ash, I've been around this board and read enough post to know that you have my respect and i do regard your work on Z's but from the defense of protecting interest to where you give / allow false impressions of competitors is not justifiable. This country has a HUGE issue against monopoly in business, as you are well aware. Business ethics as well as personal integrity are intermingled. For Devin to blow wide open the mystery of the ECU map and tuning is a great boon to the Z community. For anyone to selfishly hide or attempt to discredit a person's findlings for selfish gain is morally wrong. I think you will agree with me there. This community is built on one principal, helping others and accepting help from others. Carlos' point of building a better product makes the most sense. We are educated people, able to make educated choices. If better products are built and proven, who in their right mind would buy a lesser product (all other factors like cost aside). Therefore the gauntlet has been thrown. Will you, Devin or anyone else accept the challenge of building better products remains to be seen. I sincerely hope you all do and for the betterment of the community as well as your individual businesses.
Follow Ups	AshZ, being a big cry baby? - Z from Japan 06:53:53 03/19/03 Forget IRAQ here comes the next BIG war. Brace yourself (n/m) - RED ZYA IN CT 07:09:45 03/19/03 when hasnt ash been at war with someone? - HalfnHalf702[HJC] 19:37:22 03/19/03 Protecting interests. Its a common thing to do and - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 07:24:53 03/19/03 I really wish you could see it from 'our' side (ttnetters) (n/m) - niXit 07:27:05 03/19/03 Elaborate Nick. I need for the world to be a better place> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 08:33:22 03/19/03 I don't see what the big deal is anyways.. - Carlos Ramirez 07:37:23 03/19/03 Its not really a big deal. I was just wanting to know - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 07:43:52 03/19/03 I understand, work on a better product now :-) - Carlos Ramirez 07:52:26 03/19/03 Carlos is right. Competition = better products / prices (n/m) - brahmabull (NoVA) 07:46:02 03/19/03 i think some one also posted this when ppl where comparing - Halo Z 11:05:07 03/19/03 ROFLMAO...Kettle Black..Come on Ash you of all people---> - Kyle(Houston) 07:53:08 03/19/03 Let me be honest when I say ... - MatD 08:06:23 03/19/03 word! uh ditto.. (n/m) - djhh212 08:34:23 03/19/03 2nd that...Thanks for sharing this information. (n/m) - brahmabull (NoVA) 08:09:33 03/19/03 Agreed - These are interesting times we live in. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 10:48:54 03/19/03 Cool. I'll take a tuned chip for $6. What the heck, I'll - hoss 08:15:06 03/19/03 ok so im supposed to do business with ashZ , does this mean - djlunc94 08:29:47 03/19/03 As a consumer it is your decision. But keep in mind that - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 08:34:02 03/19/03 well, listening to friends that have gone through ash - djlunc94 08:38:21 03/19/03 come on unveil those babies! :-) stop teasing us (n/m) - TARGETZ 10:23:29 03/19/03 For real! that sig gets me everytime (n/m) - Chaaarmndr (NoVA) 11:08:07 03/19/03 2nd! :) (n/m) - stumbleshoe 11:13:11 03/19/03 So share your knowledge like Devon has -----> - Kyle(Houston) 08:44:38 03/19/03 What about yours Kyle? Let's ALL walk the walk ;-) (n/m) - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 08:47:05 03/19/03 Actually I got got my Romulator and Chip burner the other--> - Kyle(Houston) 08:57:11 03/19/03 Cool. Just so there's a clear delineation of "basic program" - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:00:57 03/19/03 Devon has made available the basic 300zx ---> - Kyle(Houston) 09:05:29 03/19/03 I'm well familiar with Devan's info. My question is>> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:09:53 03/19/03 question answered---> - Kyle(Houston) 09:18:00 03/19/03 Thanks. - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:28:28 03/19/03 Proof That The Info Is Incomplete and Incorrect? - Alex Lee [DE] 08:49:42 03/19/03 how about this, posted on his own forum..... - the_real_dummy 11:02:54 03/19/03 Yeah, you know who told him that? >>> - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:49:26 03/19/03 Ok, point out EXACTLY were its dangerously wrong - Good2Zya 10:03:46 03/19/03 Hey Fred... - TARGETZ 10:17:13 03/19/03 LOL..no. Hell my last name is...french..(cough gag throwup) (n/m) - Good2Zya 11:42:57 03/19/03 But yes, it did need an addition Todd. Look now - Good2Zya 11:49:52 03/19/03 LOL agreed! :-) (n/m) - TARGETZ 11:58:23 03/19/03 Devan, gimme a price and I'll take some. I'll give you>> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 08:44:56 03/19/03 Good post. (n/m) - Sportzcoop 08:51:19 03/19/03 Todd..If you want I will Email you the .Bin files I have.... (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 09:00:24 03/19/03 I have the ones from Devan's site. Great site by the way. - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:03:24 03/19/03 I think you are missing the point -----> - Kyle(Houston) 09:13:49 03/19/03 Trust me, I understand the point-----> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:22:55 03/19/03 What is the product????-----> - Kyle(Houston) 09:30:42 03/19/03 Your emulator will not work with my software. - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 09:44:13 03/19/03 Really???----> - Kyle(Houston) 10:13:57 03/19/03 Right. Device authentication. Software looks to see if - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:21:45 03/19/03 oh wow, thats going to be IMPOSSIBLE to get around lol - Jack B. 11:27:58 03/19/03 and it's simple to install ;) - the_real_dummy 13:49:44 03/19/03 >>> - HalfnHalf702[HJC] 19:48:29 03/19/03 OMG, you are ASKING ppl to hack your software - mm_95TT 22:31:35 03/19/03 Come on. Let's not digress. -------> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:45:09 03/19/03 You still do not understand----> - Kyle(Houston) 10:11:06 03/19/03 Kyle, Christ, I understand. I'm just willing to admit>> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 10:25:56 03/19/03 but again how is Devon competeing???---> - Kyle(Houston) 10:38:50 03/19/03 the term "open source" is over todd with 2 Ds head. - Halo Z 12:16:51 03/19/03 Rick with a P, none of this applies to NA's that don't run - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 13:38:00 03/19/03 HAHA "P" you're phunny - Halo Z 15:28:07 03/19/03 100% Correct - Z from Japan 10:39:27 03/19/03 Do something like a double blind test >>> - Mal1ce 09:16:36 03/19/03 Good idea (n/m) - stumbleshoe 09:17:49 03/19/03 Unfortunately, I do have an interest in protecting>> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:27:19 03/19/03 Re: Unfortunately, I do have an interest in protecting>> - SactoTodd 09:52:35 03/19/03 By definition a double blind study means you don't know>> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 10:00:30 03/19/03 Ship ALL EPROMS to me, I will number them and randomly - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 10:06:55 03/19/03 This is NOT a competition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 10:14:50 03/19/03 Maybe not for you, but it sounds like at least one shop - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 10:34:35 03/19/03 LOL ----> - Kyle(Houston) 10:42:38 03/19/03 are you hiring? i'll be out of work friday. thx. - niXit 10:48:36 03/19/03 I am looking for a job myself right now - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 10:56:43 03/19/03 WTF? that sux - aliaZ 11:33:52 03/19/03 Yep, you do not understand marketing at all - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 10:53:35 03/19/03 Is *your* car 100% the same as my car????---> - Kyle(Houston) 11:07:02 03/19/03 chip, you're one step ahead of yourself - HalfnHalf702[HJC] 19:43:58 03/19/03 Wouldn't they have to have had it at some point - 96-2+2TT 22:55:56 03/19/03 not my point - HalfnHalf702[HJC] 01:01:52 03/20/03 I wasn't trying to start P-----g match about which - Mal1ce 10:59:12 03/19/03 Exactly, one of the big issues here is this... - Spee 11:14:18 03/19/03 Well said ................ (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 11:43:18 03/19/03 What alchoholics call a moment of clarity :-) (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 12:26:33 03/19/03 That's one aspect but doesn't the fact that the files are - hoss 13:48:12 03/19/03 To a degree you're correct. Bernie I'm having a moment>> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 14:02:51 03/19/03 Marketing never was your strength, If I was a high profile - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 10:45:18 03/19/03 Anyone heard of the new Apexi Power FC? (n/m) - niXit 10:49:23 03/19/03 I think what Mal1ce intended was that each shop who - boileralum00 09:55:15 03/19/03 hey mallic as a moderator.... - Halo Z 11:11:53 03/19/03 There are too many differences from car to car > - kuah@splparts.com 11:23:42 03/19/03 *Exactly*...... (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 11:47:06 03/19/03 As an impartial party, this is my .02 cents (kinda long) - Smurf Z 08:45:07 03/19/03 fwiw. - niXit 09:19:26 03/19/03 MMMMmmmmm...opensource (n/m) - hoss 09:49:28 03/19/03 Incredible info, thanks for sharing (n/m) - NC-Z 09:52:21 03/19/03 Follow the Money:):)n (Very Long) - TwoZs 10:38:02 03/19/03 2nd on the "posting private corrospondence" (n/m) - stumbleshoe 10:45:05 03/19/03 Agreed. Hopefully this will bring prices down! - mm_95TT 00:30:54 03/20/03 What the hell is your no ship surelock all about anyways? (n/m) - SUPRMANZ 11:37:21 03/19/03 FAQ (n/m) - Ed(Toronto) 11:41:28 03/19/03 QAF :-) (n/m) - TARGETZ 12:26:40 03/19/03 I thought that was great info...well done devin (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 12:23:25 03/19/03 Knew one day I'd wake up to this post. - SeedyROM 12:30:15 03/19/03 damn - SactoTodd 12:39:14 03/19/03 You are up already? you sh#t the bed? :-) - TARGETZ 12:42:48 03/19/03 Gotta work until 9pm tonight :( - SeedyROM 12:46:14 03/19/03 I thought it's be sooner... - mm_95TT 22:45:45 03/19/03 I support you for making the info public. - ZHOUND 12:41:26 03/19/03 Ditto, hopefully we can share tuned bin files! (n/m) - mm_95TT 22:50:22 03/19/03 Re: AshZ, being a big cry baby? - sparkie 14:59:15 03/19/03 This takes my vote for "Best Thread, 2003!" Gotta love it! (n/m) - Borg79(Z In Storage) 21:01:58 03/19/03
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